

Everyone Please Read-We Are Bloggers, Not Journalists
By: Ryan | January 28th, 2008(Please, I urge everyone to read to the end of this article, it might affect you some day)
I don’t speak for anyone that writes here on The Offside, for any other sports bloggers, or bloggers in general, but I do speak for myself.
I’m not a journalist. I’m a blogger. Those two things are completely different. I blog about football, but mostly, and like most of us here, we get out ‘information’ it is from reading articles, watching games, listening to the radio, and thinking critically about issues. Blogging is almost like writing a constant final paper for a class. You take in tons of information from various sources and put it together in a nice, neat compact article for the rest of the world to read.
I have no responsibility to be a journalist. None of us bloggers have that responsibility, for blogging is a completely different entity. I’m not getting paid, and frankly if you don’t want to read what I write, then don’t come back. I’m a Ph.D Linguistics student for God sakes, I don’t work for the New York Times.
I also don’t make up things that I write. Even though we are ‘bloggers’ any of the good ones out there don’t lie, or make up the facts. I’m not a reporter, but I still want to give factual information to my readers.
So what happens when a highly respected
posts something that has been verified by various sources but is highly controversial (and downright disgusting if you ask me). He has no journalistic ‘ode’ to abide by, but he is simply expressing what he believes to be true, on his own personal space. If you don’t believe it, then leave, right?
Well, Jesus Alvarado, the best Sevilla blogger out there has found himself in just that position.
After the Osasuna-Sevilla game on Saturday, tempers flared after a hard and physical game, capped off by a ‘dubious’ penalty call in the 90th minute and subsequent winning goal scored by Luis Fabiano. The game was marred with a few elbows and tackles that looked more like cage fighting than football.
Ziganda, Osasuna’s Coach, came onto the field and put his hands around the throat of Sevilla Assistant Cristobol Soria. This action was documented by Iturralde’s post-match report (you can see it for yourself here in the official match report). But that’s not all he did.
Subsequently, Jesus wrote an article, and this is what it said
Title: Ziganda: ‘Teneis que estar todos muertos como puerta’
Esas palabras fueron pronunciadas en la noche de ayer por Ziganda, entrenador de Osasuna, en el momento en que Iturralde señala penalti tras tocar Javi García el balón con la mano en el área en la pugna con Chevantón.
Esto es gravísimo.
Y real.
Voy a reproducir lo que dijo el entrenador de Osasuna:
“Hijos de puta. Sois todos unos hijos de puta. Todo lo malo que os ha pasado y todo lo malo que os pase os lo merecéis”.
“Teníais que estar todos muertos como Puerta”.
Ziganda.
El entrenador de Osasuna.
No me invento nada.
Hay testigos. Muchos testigos.
Ahora…¿qué es lo que hay que hacer?
The gist of the article, for those who don’t speak Spanish. Is that Osasuna coach Ziganda, upset with the last minute penalty call against Osasuna yelled out.
‘Sons of bitches, sons of bitches. You deserve everything bad that happened and that may happen to you. You all should be dead like Puerta’
Wow.
This was verified by various sources who all told Jesus the same story. As a blogger, he published the story, and why wouldn’t he? He wasn’t lying, he had the story confirmed by many people, who ALL told the same story.
Well, preaching to the popularity of blogs these days, Jesus’s story got out, big time. Everyone was talking about it and in fact, it got all the way to Ziganda himself. People were calling for his head after hearing this absolutly disgraceful comment.
Well, leave MARCA, the POS that it is, to come to the rescue.
They published a story yesterday, in which Ziganda apologized for his actions and for coming out on the pitch after the game,
In the story, Ziganda said ‘I’m sorry for what I did, not for what I didn’t do’
But, the most crucial part of this story is the final paragraph.
Ziganda niega así, categóricamente, las gravísimas acusaciones vertidas en un blog de internet por una persona que colabora con la radio oficial del Sevilla. De hecho, los servicios jurídicos de Osasuna tomarán acciones legales por difamaciones y calumnias contra esta persona.
Ziganda denied, categorically, the grave accusations spilled in an internet blog by a person that collaborates with Sevilla FC Radio. In fact, the Osasuna ‘Judicial Services’ will be taking legal action for defamation and slander against this person.
So now, the authorities in Osasuna are looking to take legal action for what Jesus said in his blog and that Ziganda denies with all his being. Mind you, the story was first published in Jesus’s blog only, not anywhere else. AND on his blog, he makes no claim to the club, but that space is his own space for him to express whatever he wants to express.
This caused an uproar amongst the Sevilla blogging community. Comments left after the article were both denouncing and supporting Jesus, but mostly the latter. All of the Sevilla bloggers have been posting articled defending Jesus, whom I spoke to just last week on his program, Sevillistas por el Mundo.
But it doesn’t end there. In comes the calvary.
Today, Diario de Sevilla, the biggest newspaper in Sevilla, published an article confirming what Jesus had wrote in his blog to be true. Essentially, the newspaper came to the aid of Alvarado, giving MARCA the big middle finger and putting the story in print, for all to see.
Jesus is still being pursued by the Osasuna Judicial System for his comments, but that’s going to be a bit harder now since Diario de Sevilla published their article today.
This isn’t about what team you stand behind, it’s simply being able to blog about whatever you want to, and to be able to say whatever you want to say. They accused Jesus of being libelous, but he isn’t. He’s a blogger for God sakes, and he must be pretty powerful if what he says is being reported in a National daily AND he is being investigated for ‘defamation’
But now, because it’s posted by a newspaper, it must be true.
I’m standing behind my fellow Sevillista and felt it necessary to tell the English speaking world what’s going on.
Thanks for reading. I would appreciate your comments below.
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I don’t think bloggers are ever going to be held to the same quality standards as professional journalists, and they shouldn’t. Some bloggers are fantastic. Some are rubbish. That’s what comes from anyone, you and I included, being able to do it. However, blogging is publishing, and I do think that libel laws have to apply to us. If I write a quote in my blog, it needs to be accurate, and if it’s not, and it could be considered derogatory, I believe I’m financially responsible. That only really applies if the quote is false, and you’re right that the newspaper article definitely gives him a bit more credibility, though newspapers have published some whoppers of lies themselves. If Ziganda said that, he doesn’t belong at Sevilla or at any other self-respecting football club. Puerta’s name should never be used that way, period. If he DIDN’T say it, then the blogger is not only guilty of defamation, he’s guilty of using the Puerta tragedy for his own means, and that’s equally disgusting. Either way, someone’s done a pretty terrible thing.
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Although I certainly agree that bloggers are not accountable in the same ways that journalists are, that doesn’t eliminate some level of accountability. As with any form of media, they are not allowed to slander (or in this case libel) a person simply because they are not paid and people can choose to read or not to read the blog. People can choose to read or not to read newspapers as well.
In the U.S., the Osasuna coach would be considered a public figure. And as such, Osasuna would have to prove with clear and convincing evidence (a standard higher than preponderance) that the blogger acted with malicious intent or reckless disregard for the truth. If the blogger had any even remotely credible source, it would probably be impossible for the Osasuna coach to win. If you need an example, look at all the crap Us Weekly publishes.
The easiest way to avoid such claims is often to report on someone else reporting on a particular story. As you said, bloggers generally get their info from other published reports and rarely have personal knowledge of a situation. Because of this, they are usually reporting on an already existing story and giving their take–just as you are doing in this post.
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Sorry, I wrote Sevilla when I meant to write Osasuna above. Oops.
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I’m a business major and make no claims to being a professional, people should understand that. Bloggers express opinions and recycle info thais all, lighten up people
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I’m with you on that, Corey, but a quote is different. I don’t think anyone has the right to make up a quote if it wasn’t actually said. Some bloggers go beyond recycling info and giving opinions, and this one did that, making an original news story.
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But are we not entitled to give an original news story?
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And I agree that if you do slander someone, that should be held against you, no matter where you do it.
But this article is for everyone to give their opinion, but ALSO to let people know that even though we are ‘bloggers’ this is a real possibility that can happen to you.
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Corey–I would disagree only in the context of when a blogger is not merely expressing opinions and recycling information–but offering new “facts.” When these facts recklessly disregard the truth, and become a news story themselves, it would certainly qualify as libel. And being a blogger is not a license to libel.
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Hasn’t an original story got copyright? Anyway…. When Ken Bates used to be Chairman of Chelsea he tried to sue every fan that wrote articles in fanzines, websites, chat rooms etc etc. Every time he did, he lost… main reason being ‘alias’ used by the indiviuals posting basically what was the truth.
KTBFFH
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The question also is that Jesus posted truth, according to many people that will back up that fact AND the article posted in Diario de Sevilla today that also verified the quote to be true.
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Yeah, but Jesus wasn’t making anything up, right? He was reporting on what he was told by several people. It’s not like he woke up one morning and decided to a speech bubble next to Ziganda’s mouth.
Did Jesus have a disclaimer anywhere, like “Many people were reporting that Ziganda said this” as opposed to “This is what Ziganda said”?
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Inara,
This is what it said
Esas palabras fueron pronunciadas en la noche de ayer por Ziganda, entrenador de Osasuna, en el momento en que Iturralde señala penalti tras tocar Javi García el balón con la mano en el área en la pugna con Chevantón.
No me invento nada.
Hay testigos. Muchos testigos.
Ahora…¿qué es lo que hay que hacer?
Translation: These words were said last night by Ziganda, Osasuna’s coach, when Iturralde called a penalty after Javi Garcia touched the ball with his hand during the struggle with Chevanton.
I didn’t make anything up.
There are witnesses. A lot of witnesses.
Now, what should they do?
That’s the translation from the article.
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I see nothing at all wrong with Jesus reporting what he personally heard at the match, especially with witnesses able to back him up. In fact, he’s doing exactly what bloggers are best at – reporting a story that the mainstream media might be too financially and politically compromised to report. As long as it’s true, and it seems likely that it is, it’s a great blog post.
In this particular case, he’s a blogger and a journalist, since he’s reporting an original story through a blog.
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But Ian, I am unaware if he actually heard it himself..i emailed him earlier today to ask him whats up, but I haven’t heard back from him.
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Ufff….i´m wishing all this finishes.
If he has always said the truth, in this case….why not?In his articles, he tells his perceptions and informations, but,i insist, from the truth, so now, i have to believe him, don´t you?Posted from
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I do believe him Isa, I do. That’s why I wrote this article so people would know whats going on with the whole thing.
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First off, Ryan, that’s a crazy situation. I’m sure if Ziganda really did say what he is quoted as saying, he’s very contrite; things are said in the heat of battle that aren’t really meant, not that it excuses such an awful statement. (I am also unaware of Ziganda’s history of outbursts, or lack thereof). I, for one, am very glad to hear of this story and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Second, bloggers have a duty, like anyone else, to discuss their topics in non-defamatory ways. I’m no more allowed to make up a story about Ramon Calderon mugging beggar children on the streets of Madrid and circulating it as if it’s a real news item than I would be were I a real live journalist. Obviously I’m not that and I think this is where the legal lines get blurred. Since you know I’m not trustworthy, can I just make stuff up? If you read many college football blogs, you’ve probably run across Every Day Should Be Saturday (EDSBS), which makes its living off of making up random stuff about various members of the NCAAF world. But they’re a humor site, really, so they get by with making up nonsense because it’s satire. Michelle Malkin cites references in making up nonsense. So does Matt Drudge. And, I’m sure, many liberal bloggers do too.
I like that I’m allowed to blog without anyone breathing down my neck (not that I do anything interesting to The Man), but there are, of course, limits necessary. In extreme cases, we’re no longer dealing with sports, with games played by grownups, but rather politics, race, gender, sexuality, etc, and the issues you’ve brought up become far more important. (To me Jesus Alvarado is doing nothing other than reporting what was seen and heard by others on a sporting field, but I don’t know the tensions that lie between Sevilla and Osasuna)
Spain’s laws may also be very different than American laws — after all, the NYT yesterday published this, “American law is, by international standards, a series of innovations and exceptions,” so it’s hard to compare American legal precedence with that of the EU and Spain in particular — but I can’t imagine a country like Spain doesn’t have the laws in place to prevent journalists (and bloggers) from being attacked for merely reporting what they heard. That’s the point of journalism. Without that, we have no Watergate…And who doesn’t love themselves a Watergate now and then?
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Also, do you have a link to Alvarado’s original article?
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This is the original article
http://www.jesusalvarado.com/2008/01/27/ziganda-teniais-que-estar-todos-muertos-como-puerta/
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Wow, crazy shit. Good points Ryan.
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